THE HARBINGER FABLE AND POST- MILLENNIALISM
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BECAUSE THE NAME OF JESUS IS PRESENTED IS NOT PROOF THAT A BOOK IS ACCEPTABLE. Jesus warned us with unmistakable language, “For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.” (Matt 24:5) The Church is full of cheap theology that accepts anything or any doctrine as long as there is an obscure mention of Jesus Christ or a light call to believe the gospel. A “Born Again” experience is a radical transformation and not just a mental accent. Even the Devil believes and trembles. “Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.” (James 2:19)
A Bible believing Christian walks a fine line between being faithful in citizenship and the glorious Hope of the Rapture. We know this world is on the verge of judgment so radical and breathtaking that when that judgment is finished Jesus Christ can set up His Golden Kingdom and rule the world from Jerusalem. That truth is so sweet and pure that trying to change our world requires a clear mind and a true heart. We had rather go immediately to be with Him but we must not forsake the responsibilities of living in this world until He pleases otherwise. This world is ready for judgment but we will be Salt and Light until He says, “Come Up Hither”.
Anyone that learns the truth of the “GOLDEN KINGDOM OF JESUS CHRIST” can hardly wait to hear the trumpet. The Bride of Christ has eyes trained on the sky and is looking for Him any moment. Even caring what happens in the next election takes a heart that can be true first to the Gospel but also care about the direction of our world until He comes. A people radically “Born Again” will never be seduced away from the Hope of seeing Him in the sky. Post-Millennialism or Dominionism is utterly foreign to a Rapture Ready saint. Even a whisper of saving this world from the impending judgment is not thinkable. Let’s take a final look at this book that leans toward Dominionism.
There are a number of warning signs concerning this “Fable”.
1. Those that support it are ferocious at those who are warning everyone.
2. The book claims a prophetic message that totally bypasses the pre-tribulation rapture or the coming appearance of a personal Anti-Christ.
3. This book claims that repentance will save the world from the impending destruction and dark tribulation.
4. The prophet presented in this book is a paranormal psychic. His person is totally occultic.
5. Scriptures he uses are utterly imagined, taken out of context, and have no collaboration with New Testament confirmation. They are not rightly divided as commanded by the Bible.
6. The Bible warns, “Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.” (Luke 16:15) When the New World Church groups loves it, we cannot endorse it or take it seriously.
There has been a lot of flak over my discernment of this book. I think anyone can read what I have said and see that no one has been attacked. I have spoken only in a kind way about the author or others who differ among us Pre-Tribulation believers. Yes, I’m strong about the New Wave Charismatics and their Dominionism teaching, but not unkind about them as individuals. When I see doctrines or ideas that confront End Times truths I act quickly and courageously. I believe the devil will design suttle and strong attacks against the “Glorious Hope Of Christ’s Coming and The Great Tribulation To Follow”.
Here is an e-mail sent to me last Saturday after the broadcast by a dear lady named Jan Markell that disagreed with me. I know nothing about her, so I certainly have no maliciousness or anger. She had written an article the week before calling those that have spoken with discernment entitled, “When Christians Engage in Blood Sport”. Her e-mail to me was the following. ” What you’re doing is shameful. I have concluded you are motivated by envy. You are discrediting the world of eschatology. Please retire and stop embarrassing those of us who are scholars and who go about this properly.”
However, a faithful partner of our ministry had this to say in response: “My own personal thoughts: while I admit I am getting a bit tired of reading about “The Harbinger” ~ both good and bad… [ just like all the other stuff over the years that people.. Christians.. got on both sides of the fence over!! i.e. “The Passion of Christ” movie… and we could go on & on…] but my personal feelings aside because all I have to do is not read any more until we move forward with other subjects. But I wanted to say, Jan Markell: I’ve always been a fan of your updates & emails & sometimes share them with others. You seem balanced, a great watcher and indeed a “scholar”. But OUCH!! You just shot yourself in the foot here — showing your true feelings perhaps? Because if this was an accidental slipup, surely you’d take time to come back & apologize. I was taken aback the way you pounced all over Bro. Chambers. He is doing absolutely nothing that is “shameful”; I have met him & his wife at a prophecy conference [though surely they do not remember me; it was a long time ago] and can just almost bet the farm that he is NOT motivated “by envy”. Good grief! What an outlandish statement! Further: you stated he is “discrediting the world of eschatology”…. again!! OUTLANDISH!! Why I keep the level of enthusiasm of our Blessed Hope quite full ~ in part, many thanks to Joseph Chambers for taking time to remind us how very close we are to seeing Jesus, Savior and Lord! Please retire? Well, that’s up to him & the Lord, and not to be ordered by another. But this line got me the most: “and stop embarrassing those of us who are scholars” and go about this properly. Goodnight, Ms. Markell!! Just who do you think YOU ARE?? One of God’s top scholars who can tell all the other prophecy teachers what’s what? You remind me way too much of that old prophecy preacher (his name currently eludes me) but he’s crusty and rusty and teaches doctrinal error (I’m not saying you are doing that) but he had such a haughty air about him ~ actually telling people that if they had not studied prophecy for as long as he had, then they should “sit down and shut up”…. further, he dogmatically insists that he is right about everything!! He even said that the AntiChrist would have control only over the MidEast and Europe – and not the western world. How contrary to Scripture that is!! Revelation clearly states that the AntiChrist will have control over the WHOLE world!!! And the whole world, those names that are not written in the book of life, will bow down to him. Jan, I am not saying you are teaching this so do not even try to read it that way ~ I am merely saying you displayed the same dogmatic, arrogant attitude. Listen, I don’t agree with EVERYTHING Bro. Chambers says either – only most of it. But I don’t think it’s right to come stomping in here & beat up on a Christian brother & imply that you’re the only one who’s a “scholar”. Do you have any idea how many years this man has studied & preached? I’m sorry his take on “The Harbinger” does not agree with yours. But you could have challenged him on that; instead of beating up on him personally!! Since you chose to do that, I personally lost a ton of respect for you. Lastly, a note/reminder to all of us: folks these are DANGEROUS last days!!! It is so difficult to tell the wheat from the tares. THANKS RJ!!!!
It was the scholars that gave us “the misinterpreted” NIV Bible. It was the scholars that gave us the new NIV, which presents a “gender-friendly” edition. It was scholars that gave us the “lying/paraphrased” Bibles and promoted the “Emergent Church”, “The Purpose Driven Life” and thousands of books, sermons, and compromises that have practically destroyed the American Church. All kinds of destructive ideas, books etc. are from “scholars”. One after the other of these “scholars” are telling the world that you can live in sin, homosexuality, fornication and still go in the Rapture without repentance and a total return to Christ. The Bible and its messages are being watered down to a dangerous mixture and I am dedicated to speaking the truth regardless of the attacks.
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Mark North
You are so wrong on this book. You have made statements that are just factually wrong and it looks like you have a grudge, instead of scholarly thought.
I am going to unsubscribe.
PS I have the book and the film. I’ve seen them say what you said they didn’t say. It’s really a shame.
Sheila
NO,NO,NO ATHOUSAND TIMES NO!!!!!Pastor Chambers,The Devil would love for you retire.You are a GREAT LIGHT SHINING IN THIS DARK WORLD.We need you and more men of GOD like you who loves our souls enough to tell us the TRUTH of GOD’S WORD.My ,how I would love to be with you all at Paw Creek for the Campmeeting and homecoming.I have some health issues that keep me home.am looking forward to my “new body”.Give my love to Sister Chambers,Love you all,Sheila Miller
melvin
Joseph Chambers in the matter you judge you will be judge. You call people false prophets. Are you sure your not one according to scriptures. Deu.13 tells us who are false prophets in Gods eyes. Ones that teach the people not to keep the Torah. The 7th Day in God the Father and the Son true Sabbath. Also all God Feast DAys are His Sabbath. But Christian keep Pagan holy days. Is not this what Paul tells us of another jesus that anti-torah. Rev.2;14 Doctrine of Balaam is to have the people break the Torah so God would not protect them. This other jesus is like the doctrine of Balaam.
Jeremiah16;19 tells us in the last days the people will say our fathers inherited lies that their is no profit. For their no profit is keeping false holy days.
Show me a church group who has healing services on Friday nights. You will see the strongest move of the Holy Spirit.. I was attending a christian church. The pastor would put on many revivals. When it came to a Friday night services the Holy Spirit would move so strong. But then at saturday night it would be the same as the other days. He then would tell his people they had stop praying that why the Spirit didn’t move as strong. He told us people that so many times that you can’t help but remember. Satan biggest victory was to change the true Sabbath
ken switzer
I agree that the book is a fictional call to the church and the rest of the unbelieving world — to more or less — Wake the hell up, before you wake up in hell — pardon my phrasology. I know a couple of fundamental Baptists who would take issue with that statement.
Then again, I know of many “christians” who almost come to fist fights when you question their fables of christmas, and easter, and how Sunday is a sabbath (which is never is, and never will be) it is the “first day of the week though”.
I do belive that you have distorted the context of the book — but such is life, there are a lot of distorted views in these end times — and that is a fact of the Laodicean churches that exist today.
Gary C. Hardin
Retire only when God calls you home, otherwise keep preaching and teaching the Word. I rely heavily on hearing your thoughts on many subjects.
Thank you,
Keith Black
ABOUT HARBINGER BOOK
Dear Joe Chambers,
POST MILLENIALISM would never work bacuse there never has been 1000 YEARS OF PEACE. IN the past I kep hearing that there would be 1000 YEARS OF PEACE BEFORE JESUS CAME. But I kept wondering how that was possible when there had WARS THROUGHOUT ALL OUT HISTORY. There never was even a CENTURY OF PEACE. When WORLD WARS 1 AND 2 came that GREATLY DISCOURAGED THE POST-MILLENIALISTS, and destroyed their hopes. So POST-MILLENIALISM is not possible. A Millenium is not possible until Jesus comes to wipe out the evil world political systems. and Satan must be CHAINED AND SENT DOWN THE VERY LONG VERTICAL TUNNEL IN TO THE GULAG OF FIRE BELOW, where he will stay until the millenium is over. Then he is relaesed so he can deceive the folks born into the Millenium. The hte Devil is thrown into a sea of fire.
Message to POST-MILLENIALISTS AND DOMIONISTS: YOU MIGHT AS WELL GIVE UP THE IDEA OF BRINGING IN A MILLENIUM KINGDOM WITH 1000 YEARS WITHOUT CHRIST COMMING, BECAUSE IT IS NOT POSSIBLE. THERE HAS NOT EVEN BEEN A CENTURY OF PEACE THROUGHOUT HISTORY. THE ANTI-CHRIST AND THE TRIBULATION MUST COME BEFORE THE MILLENIUM. HOW DO YOU EXPECT TO BE ABLE TO OVERTHROW THE ANTI-CHRIST ON YOU OWN? HIS ARMIES WILL BE HUNTING YOU DOWN TO KILL YOU. EVEN IF YOU GET UP TO THE MOUNTAIN CANYONS, THE DRONES CAN FIRE MISSILES AT YOU. JESUS THE REAL SUPER-MAN IS THE ONLY ONE THAT CAN OVERTHROW LEX LUCIFER (SATAN) AND THE ANTI-CHRIST. No one else can. Only Jesus Christ the real Super-Man can bring the Millenium. You can not do it on your own. To Dominonists: DOMINION THEOLOGY is just WISHFUL THINKING. WHile it sounds great to make AMERICA INTO A CHRISTAN COUNTRY LIKE IT ONCE WAS, IT IS NOT POSSIBLE TO DO IT TODAY, because the CHRISTIANS ARE NO LONGER IN A MAJORITY. The left wing SECULAR HUMANISTS have taken over. It was not even possible for the Christians to pick their preferred choice for Republican Presidential Nominee. If the Christians have been able to do that the Nominee would have been MIKE HUCKABEE whose is modeled after Melchizdek (who was a MINISTER and a POLITICAL LEADER). Or perhaps Michelle Bachman or Sara Palin modelled after Esther. If the CHristians dominated Mit Romney a liberal would not have received the nomination. It might have be Richard Perry, or Rick Santorum who a group of Evangelical leaders endorsed. None of the candidates supported by Conservative Christians won. So for DOMINIONISTS, FORGET ABOUT DOMINION THEOLOGY, BECUAE IT IS NOT GOING TO WORK IN THIS LIBERAL DOMINATED WORLD. You are right about the need to put more Conservative Christians into public office. This is however is only a temporary Stategy.
So for us the best thing to do is to WORK ON OUR EXIT STRATEGY. PUTTING CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIANS IN PUBLIC OFFICE CAN BUY US SOME TIME AS WE WAIT FOR JESUS TO EVACUATE US AT THE RAPTYRE. THAT CAN HEP US TO AVOID A NAZI STYLE HOLOCAUST (GULAGS AND DEATH CAMPS). WE ARE IN A DUNKIRK (Rememember how the Rritish and the Frenc Sodiers were trapped by the Nazis who controlled almost the entire European continent, and were closing in on them?) The only escape was by boat. We have to keep fighting off the enemies until Jesus can come to get us. Putting Consevative Christians into office can hell us buy time.
BUT WE MEED TO CONCENTRATE ON OUR EXIT (RAPTURE) STRATEGY THE MOST. The Post Millenialists and the Dominionists have no EXIT STAEGY, and will be in big trouble whe the TRIBULATION COMES.
America like a sinking ship cannot be saved from going under. It is now time to JUMP SHIP.
Folks: WHAT IS YOUR EXIT STRATEGY?
Sincerely,
Keith Black
Deborah
Keep up the good work Pastor Chambors! The Truth will always anger those in error.
Ed Wood
I’ve been getting Pastor Joseph’s articles for some time now and I have found them all extremely interesting and well thought out. This doesn’t mean I agree with them all, but for the most part I generally do. Regarding topics such as the Rapture, the deplorable deterioration of the modern church, the source of the Bible (God!) and the authority of it over any man-made doctrines or traditions, salvation through belief in Jesus and him alone, we are definitely on the same page.
Also to his credit is his willingness to post opposing views, even those written by people who are downright insulting. I think Christians in particular should disagree without being disagreeable.
My own opinion is that if someone has to resort to insults, then they are either advertising their immaturity or lack of substantive facts to support whatever argument they are trying to make.
So, Pastor Joseph, keep on doing what you’re doing!
God bless!
pastor Beard
The problem with many of these who evidently are getting something from this ministry, but are kicking against it is this. They have way to much faith in “Scholarly” men, rather than the “discernment” of the Spirit. Wake up people! I do not know any Scholars, (especially the ones who will remind you, “I am a scholar”. eewww. that’s just real humble huh? NOT!) that I truly have any Spiritual leading to follow. NO! I feel led to listen to God’s men who HE HAS Anointed by His Spirit, to Teach, and direct his church. I tell you, All this talk about scholars is just plain UN-biblical (especially when you consider the cemeteries, I mean seminaries they go to get their “fever’, I mean “degree” from). While the bible speaks of studying to show thyself approved, it also says, you need NOT that any MAN teach you” implying we are to rely upon the Holy Ghost(1 John 2:27), and any REAL TEACHER FROM GOD will agree with that statement, and not some puffed up arrogant “scholar” whom many of which are what backs up the lies, and “endorses” them. Just look in the fronts of these ungodly-books they put their names upon them. Kinda reminds me of the Healthcare system in USA.
Script. Eph.4: 8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love. amen
Gary
Hi Bro. Chambers,
I was really suprised at the e-mail that Jan Markell sent to you. I like Ms. Markell’s radio show, —————–, and think she is right on on many things. However, I am disappointed by her e-mail to you. I heard her interview last April with Jonathan Cahn and she really embraces his book and thinks it is a true waring to America. Since Cahn’s book is endorsed by Sid Roth and is also published by Strang Media (Charisma Magazine), that raises flags for me! The link is below so you can listen to it for yourself. I would really like to hear your comments on it next Saturday!
Lydia
Sir, you keep preaching The Truth of God Almighty! There are sooo many tares out there today……. and they do appose truth at every corner. I used to get Jan’s newsletters….. I was one of them that bought her very first ‘teaching videos’ amd I was so embarassed that I ordered them that I threw them, quietly, in our dumpster. She is of a Jewish nature and is determined to be ‘strong and bold, and hard to disagree with. I’ve noticed many Jewish people have this know-it-all natures……I think it runs in the Jewish families…….Remember that Jesus had names for them as well. He said ‘they are a stubborn and stiff-necked people…. even those down the road that became His Deciples….. We love them anyway!
There are many ‘babes in Christ on the milk of the Word today….I hope the Holy Spirit is protecting them in this cruel world of today.
You can almost ‘discern’ today who the sheep are and along side who the goats are. We SHOULD know this by spiritual discernment…clearly.
IT is NOT a good day to be a devout Christian….it is NO LONGER and honorable and respected to even say you are a Christian…….it is difficult to “present’ the Gospel of Christ to anyone TODAY…..
I don’t even know HOW any of these people can even be ‘lead to the Lord Jesus’…. they no longer respect or desire Him….. I LIVE this every day of my life here at 82……..Being ‘kind and caring’ no longer seems to matter to anyone….
Jesus Christ cannot be far behind…..
This earthly church has lost her way…..so, now, I refer to The Body of Christ that I KNOW is out there bigger than ever….but not together!
The Lord shows me what to read and not read and I end up not reading any of this out there today. I truly get an Holy Spirit unction what not to read out there today…
Hang in there and don’t stop with God’s Truth…..I promise you, the ‘sheep’ WILL listen to you…. they are out there and they ‘hear the Voice of Lord Jesus…our Gentle Sheperd.
SOON, but maybe not as soon as we may desire. that TRUMPET will SOUND in the skies and then we will be HOME!!
Ward
Joseph Chambers,
Your “end time” theology discredits the finished work of Jesus the Anointed One. Can you tell me what is lacking in order for God’s people to walk in a practical “raptured” way totally free from the spirit of antichrist. Your hope deferred heart sickening futurist message is identified in Jeremiah 6:14. You declare “peace” when your message is superficial and rejects the Prince of peace. Contrary to popular belief Jesus the Anointed one has made us now kings and priests in the earth.
Do you believe that Jesus will come the second time with “first-aid” kits?
“All power and dominion has been given to Jesus and He tells us to go forth in no way diminished into all the cosmos…”
I believe that the vicarious death and resurrection of Jesus has been and continues eternally sufficient since that event to totally demonstrate the good news in the world. Every eye shall witness the dominion of Christ and his body of believers in the earth and then the END (End of sin)will come.
Rejoice saints and discover your glorious calling! God has one clock and it always says “NOW”!
“I now know a man (me) whether in the body or out of the body CAUGHT UP…”
Totally sufficient grace to all,
Ward
Joe Guy....
I ain’t gonna study war no more!
Donna
In reading all the comments on this subject,one thing comes to mind. Satan loves nothing better than to cause disagreement amoung Christians. Satan prefers you to put your faith in man, opening the door for him to come in. We are to be “all one in Christ Jesus.” I was taught this as a teenager by our Preacher. I understood what my preacher was talking about at a Billy Graham Crusade.”Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre’s sake.” “Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.” Titus 1. I never listened to Graham again. I understood as a teenager he was a money changer, money and fame were his god. Just like Joyner, Jakes, Warren, Bentley, and Cahn and all the rest. Many of you may want to take me to the woodshed for my comments, but please check what Graham believes, he stated many times on TV, etc… we all believe in the same god, Hindu, Muslim,Buddist and so forth. Just becasue he is popular does not make him right. We are to test all by Scripture not by how many degree’s they have, or how many books they have written. If what they say or write goes against God’s Holy Word, they are wrong, its just that simple! Keep this in mind, if they disagree or correct scripture to suit their needs, aren’t they calling God a liar?
God Bless
Donna
PS; Graham also endorsed Rick Warren’s book Purpose Driven Life, New Age to the core.
melvin
Did the King James have the first verse in the Bible correct? It should have read: In the beginning Elohim Aleph-Taf created the heavens and the earth. The King James Bibles has so many mistakes it would take a book to correct all of them. The translater hated the jews. So the same word that was translated to church or synagogue. They put synagogue when it was of evil. For example; Synagogue of satan should have been church of satan.
Why should God rapture all these chritian out before the Great Tribulation when they don’t keep His commandments. Jesus said if you love me keep my commandments. Don’t keep any of His appointed times that are God Feast DAys or 7th day Sabbaths. Oh I forgot Jesus set you free from having to keep His commandments. But sin is breaking His commandments. Did you notice that God appointed times are Sabbathes. So why are the 5 foolish vigins buying oil on the Sabbath?
pastor Beard
Ward I do not know where you are getting your teaching from, but, UH you need to get out of there, I mean DON’T WALK, R U N ! This is some of the craziest talk, I have ever heard. You most evidently have been reading too many books. And by the way are you Born-again? Have you received His gift of pardon? Is your name written in Heaven? and are your sins under the blood? I tell you, if they are you most diffidently are way-off, not a little, but WAY-OFF on your end time deduction. I perceive the reason you are listening to Bro Chambers is to perhaps REPENT of the false way, and receive the RIGHT. I have studied the end tiems over 20 years, and I have found only a few who preach the Bible as dead on as Joseph Chambers. And I will also say, I believe he is also a last-days apostle with the message of “The blessed hope” The rapture. And if you do not receive it, ok. But, be it known This man is preaching the Word of God, and you need to hear it. before it is too late.
Walter
Dear Pastor Chambers,
Thank you for your faithfulness to the WORD OF GOD. You are one of the very few true ambassadors of God still alive! Here is a link to a berean approach to this book The Harbinger, where the author picks it apart to pieces and shows its blasphemy and more…
http://www.thebereancall.org/content/harbinger-matter-critical-discernment
GOD BLESS YOU!
Robert
I have the Harbinger, Been reading it, That Prophet is something elce,
He has an easy life, No one ready to kill him,
I think Melvin is full of something, I know GOD lives on the inside
of me, He has done things for me That only GOD could do. I dont
keep the Savath, I dont know how to do that, But I know if CHRIST
wanted me to do it, He would show me how, My trust is in his SHED\
BLOOD, he bought me, I will live forever from the moment I ask
HIM to come into my life, Is the TOROH the entire bible old & new
Testiment, If not It has no saving power, Old Testiment Christians
looked foreward to the CROSS, We in the new Testiment look back to
The CROSS, Religon is like the Faricies & Scribes, CHRIST is a way
of life, The only way, Everything in the old an new is the WORD
of GOD, If you are using the Kings James version, The rest of the
translators, And there are many, Belong in the sand pile.
Lets get saved, Then we might be able to correct others Eh
Travis
Lol all of these comments….. having “scholarship” today is meaningless. Paul, Peter, James, John, and the rest of bible men weren’t “scholars”, they were FILLED with the HOLY GHOST, and that my brethren is Pastor Joseph Chambers, he is filled with the Holy Ghost – therefore has discernment, as should all radically born again christians. Nevermind what the Harbinger says, what does the Word of God say??? TRY THE SPIRITS!! God Bless brother Chambers and PawCreek Ministries. Wake up people, the Lord is at the door and all some of you are doing is attacking Chambers over him speaking out against a truly ridiculous fable??? How absurd!
Bill Andrews
Dear Pastor Chambers, Reading your message is a great joy to me. To be honest i’m tired of those that compare the judgements of Israel to other countries that have never had an special covenant with God. Why would God judge America when he still hasn’t destroyed Europe ? They’ve been much more immoral as a people and unfriendly to Israel than America but they are still going.
As I said, reading your message is a great joy to me but reading through the comments of others is truly disturbing. To think that some of these people do nothing but attack the one who is looking for Christ to return in the Rapture is just near insanity to me. Some of these people need to read their Bibles and get a life. Please quit reading here if you hate the Rapture so much. Go read a Peter C. Wagner book if you enjoy false doctrine so much. If you keep reading Pastor Chambers’ messages week after week and you still haven’t come to the realization that Holy Scripture says the church exits before the tribulation then there is no hope of changing your deranged mind.
Please keep preaching the truth Pastor Chambers as some of us appreciate it.
Sandra
I used to, somettimes still come across, Ms. Jan’s works. I didn’t always agree with her, but she was pretty good. I can’t really form an opinion of this book until I read it. At this point, I would say, it’s a work of fiction and should be viewed as such. With that said, I believe that America is not going to be here in the tribulation, at least it won’t be any super country. I think that with as many Christians that are here, once the rapture occurs, this will push our Satanic Govt. into overdrive and they will happily enforce their martial law and retraining camps they have been plotting and building for years. All the sheeple will go willy-nilly right along to be “saved” from the big bad boogie man in the sky (probably told they were alien abductions) that took millions of people in one swift flash. People these days are so stupid and dumbed down (too much flouride in the water, chemicals in vaccines, on meds, chemtrails sprayed that they are breathing, etc.) that they will believe anything (AKA – A GREAT LIE) to feel safe and secure. I pity them, and it breaks my heart to know many will not make it to Heaven. I just pray each day that Christ uses me to reach some, or one, or how many he feels to use me for. If it were my choice, the rapture would happen before I finish this sentence.
Sheree D. Price
Dear Pastor Chambers,
I love TRUTH! I love that when I hear it or read
it, my spirit bears witness to it! Our Lord Jesus is Truth,
The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Truth and God’s Word is
Infallible Truth from Genesis to Revelations!!!
Thank you for bringing it to us, time and time again…
Your series on the book, “The Harbinger” was excellent.
I learned so much. I was saddened and amazed at the
vicious attacks and the mean spiritness of some of the
comments that you received. And by so called “church
people”, the ones who should know better. But of course,
this is what they did to Jesus. His most mean and ugly
attacks were from the people who supposedly knew God.
Pastor, you are a Godly, God-fearing man who loves
Jesus, and just crazy bout His Word…I know you are, cause
I am, too. I love His Word, and I will defend it and stand on
it, no matter what. It doesn’t matter who it is, if it does not
line up with the Word, it’s wrong, it’s false, and I don’t receive
it. That’s what I love about your ministry. It’s so refreshing
today, to find leaders and pastors and teachers who stay true
to His Word, regardless of the consequences!
I know you have a heart for the lost and for those who
are into the false foolishness who are on their way to hell
if they don’t turn from sin and turn to God. I can imagine your
tears and brokenness in your prayer closet. People just don’t
know or realize your heartsickness at knowing people are
just blindly following lies and going to hell! But God sees and knows
every single tear you shed dear Pastor.
Praying that you will be refreshed and encouraged and
strengthened. I am sure you will be. Isn’t God awesome?
He knew just what you would need when you needed it and I
know your Revival this week is just the thing to get you all
“juiced up” and rearing to keep on keeping on in the Name
of Jesus! Wish I could be there! Retire??? Please, you Refire
for Jesus! Onward Christian Soldier!!!! You are blessed!!
Got a Word for you from the Word, remember when Samuel was
feeling that rejection by the people? God told him “they aren’t
rejecting you, Samuel, they are rejecting me!” 1Sam 8:7
Love to you and yours, in Christ, Mrs Sheree Price
Joel
By blasting Jonathon Cahn and Jan Markell, Joe Chambers may be blastpheming the Holy Spirit. How does Joe know? He doesn’t know, therefore he blasts irrationally . I Peter 2:10-12 Bold and willful, they do not tremble as they blaspheme the glorious ones, 11 whereas angels, though greater in might and power, do not pronounce a blasphemous judgment against them before the Lord. 12 But these, like irrational animals, creatures of instinct, born to be caught and destroyed, blaspheming about matters of which they are ignorant,
pastor Beard
Some people know just enough of God’s Word, to do nothing but look plum ignorant both to This poor lost world, and God above. People get filled with the Holy Ghost before you ever even try to share your thoughts on the bible. In the Bible they wouldn’t even let the brethren wit on tables unless they were “tongue talking children of God”!
Joe Guy....
Bless you Joel,
The key phrase is
Joe Guy....
Bless you Joel,
Key phrase is that we do not know what we are doing…May God have mercy and grace upon us all.
Brother Chambers is doing that which he believes is right in the sight of God. Sadly there is a way which we go that leads to destruction. We can sincerely go to hell.
See you all in orientation class in the first million years in heaven.
In His long suffering,
Joe Guy…
Bill Andrews
Sounds to me like Jan Markell was doing the “blasting”, not Pastor Chambers.
What in the world are you people thinking ?
Freddie B.
My goodness some of these comments seem so aimless, and hopeless. Some of you people need to pray for God to open your eyes, and then pray for direction about where you need to go to church, and THEN OPEN YOUR EARS TO HEAR WHAT THE SPIRIT IS SAYING UNTO THE CHURCHES. My, I can see what The Bible means as it said, Jesus seen the people, “as sheep who have no shepherd”. Pray to the Lord, ask Him to save you ( FOR HE WILL ) and then ask for WISDOM (James 1), and then “Be DOERS of THE WORD”, PLEASE, God is calling I feel it so strong, Listen to His voice, and give Him your soul, your heart, your everything!amen And as for Bro Chambers this is a dying breed, you had better learn that old fashioned way he is preaching, it is THE RIGHT WAY. And it is not LEADING TO HELL as on of these misguided commentators suggested. Not only CAN we know where we are going, WE had BETTER KNOW where we are going.
Matt.7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
I Love you
Freddie
locnguyen
I confess of not having read ” The Harbinger ” for myself, for lack of access.
However one point is clear : it is first and foremost a novel.
And to get oneself heels over head[intentional reversal] over a novel is at best silliness,
and at worst hysteria.
As is believing that What Happened At Calvary Is exactly Described in the movie ” The Passion “.
The same goes for the ” Left Behind ” series of novels and movies about The Post-Rapture.
I am not doubting the sincere devotion and faith of the authors of these works of art.
But they are no substitutes for TRUTH.
Some will cite in the author’s defense, the use of fiction to express truths that are impossible
to convey through non-fiction.
I agree, as far as concerning worldly matters(i.e. NWO conspiracy).
But when It Comes To GOD’S TRUTH, no man-made book can stand equal to The Bible, GOD’S WORD.
So, before getting all ourselves into a kind of St Vitus’ Dance over the novel ” The Harbiger “, why not confront what it has to say With What The Bible Has To Say ?
If the novel pushes Post-Millenialism then it’s trouble.
P-M teaches that CHRISTians will arise and conquer the world through a Super-Church, establish
universal peace and “put the devil out of business” [ as dear Pastor Vance Havner put it ]
for one glorious thousand years, to make ready For our LORD’ S RETURN At the end of this period
of holy human achievement.
No need For JESUS-CHRIST’ SECOND COMING then TO ESTABLISH THE MILLENIUM.
And how will it be done ? By spiritual weapons or by carnal ones ?
Seeing the state of the world as it is in right now, no CHRISTian in his right mind can believe that it can be reverted like authors Anacondias or Frangipane among others suggest, even with vast amounts of spiritual WMCs (Weapons of Mass Conversion).
It will be a case of Gandhi VS Pol Pot with no one betting against the latter !
So Post-Millenialism must be allied with Dominionism in order to pull it off.
I am reminded of a short horror novel read some years back about a man wearing heavy iron
chains under his robe to a satanic mass in order to nullify the evil high priest powers,
and thinking that if that didn’t work, he could always beat the devil’s servant to death with
the same chains !
For Dominionism is all about carnal weapons, which GOD’S WORD Teaches us make no impression
on the powers and principalities (Ephesians vi : 13)
Nothing In The Bible’s Last Book, our LORD’ S REVELATION, Says anything about us fighting by ourselves the devil to his ultimate demise, except for us to repent and wait FOR HIS COMING.
If ” The Harbinger ” author’ s recommendation for America to repent in order to delay her
fall Until The Rapture, then it is Sound Doctrine.
If it is for the restoration of America to her former glory in order to conquer the world
to establish paradise on earth, then it is the devil’ s doctrine, a variation on the cult
of Anglo-Israelism so soundly unmasked by Pastor Van Baalen in his essay on cults.
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Pastor Chambers, in his deep concern for the devil’ s doctrines fooling many a CHRISTian,
can be sometimes considered by some of ( unwary )us to be knee-jerk over-vigilant.
But I have the feeling he prefers to ” be GOD’ S Hoot-Owl rather than the devil’s nightingale ”
[ once more courtesy of Pastor Havner ]
Like Prophet Micaiah who spent his time in Jail for being The Former ! ( I Kings xxii : 7-28 )
Pastor Chambers can be like the person awake trying to shake a somnambulist out of his walk to
the precipice.
The latter all to his sweet dreams, can prove to be utterly unhappy once drawn out of them,
and turn against the one who shatters his deadly illusions !
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Forgive me if, to lighten the atmosphere I refer you to an old Donald Duck story, where he went every night to the kitchen and emptied the fridge during his somnambulist walk to what he thought as the restaurant !
Wearied of being punished for the misdeed, since their uncle remembered nothing in the morning,
Louie, Huey and Dewey decided to wake him up while sleep-walking.
After several unsuccessful attempts, they had recourse to firecrackers.
Unfortunately, the result was Donald switching to the dream where he thought to be at war against an enemy in the shape of his 3 nephews, forcing them to take refuge in the garden dog house !
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Whatever we think of Pastor Chambers’ warnings, one thing is sure, it’ s no time for slumber.
One cannot cry ” Wolf ! ” too often these days seeing they are all around us.
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P.S.
Pastor Chambers has written several articles about Dominionism.
And also about America’ s exceptionalism, as being The Most Blessed Nation In History,
thus putting Her in the devil’s gunsight for destruction since Her Birth.
Only GOD’ S GRACE HAS PRESERVED Her Until Now.
Sally Plemons
Every single time a book comes out that has appeal to people of every denomination, creed, and doctrinal belief, I know there’s something wrong and my “spiritual antennae” goes up up up!!!
As with THE SHACK, THE PURPOSE DRIVEN series, and many others, instead of being “hooked” on books, why not become “hooked” on THE BOOK – THE BIBLE?! Why listen to others, when God has already written the best book, and it’s a true story, NOT fiction. Why take someone else’s opinion of THE BOOK – the Bible – when you can read THE BOOK for yourself??? People can be wrong and, sadly, they usually are, and THE HARBINGER is just another one of the endless attempts to lure people away from focusing on God’s word.